Death to the opposition!

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not but you're right anyway.

"Find him and kill him!".

Worf can make anything better.

Really, they should have stopped after TNG. Voyager, Enterprise, and DS9 were all almost unwatchable by comparison.

Voyager, at least, had decent characters. Every single character in DS9 is detestable.

Except for Worf.

NERD WAR: Voyager did not have decent characters. Voyager did not have any characters. Voyager had amorphous personalityless blobs who wandered through scenes spouting wooden exposition, and then Seven of Nine would get a lingering ass shot.

DS9 was awesome. Even though most of the stuff Kleenex says is true. It had a great cast who played well off each other, and the whole war angle made it actually worth tuning into on a weekly basis.

Enterprise was a show about Dr. Samuel Beckett's most boring leap ever. Ziggy said there was a 95% chance he was there to put the franchise out of its misery. After that he got to go home.

On the contrary, good sirs! ALL Star Trek is, in fact, garbage. The original series is the only good type of garbage, however.

The correct answer is that DS9 was more reliably awesome than any other Trek, but this was the very worst episode. They couldn't stick with the same political intrigues for all seven seasons because Bajor got progressively less fucked-up as the series went on (read: the Federation actually succeeded at helping them). And B5 was a complete ripoff of that old Trek episode with a bunch of squabbling diplomats where we first met Sarek (entitled, suspiciously enough, "Journey to Babel").

"Deep Space Nine" was the greatest Star Trek show there will ever be.

1. It's writing was in fact more coherent than any of the other shows, seeing it had a series-spanning continuity besides an annual fucking Borg visit, or Q saying, "The next 7 seasons is a test and I'll show up 4 more times to remind you of that, Picard."
2. Less to no holodeck? This is a subjective opinion; there's a place for these: http://poetv.com/video.php?vid=48808
3. 98% of the episodes kept the series-long story arc going. Garrack was only a little bit of that and I hope you can understand that.
4. I really don't remember a spy thing being any relevant plot point. I don't think it's substantial enough to shake a finger at DS9 and say, "Clean up your act."

"Voyager" could have used a coat hanger or a partial-birth abortion at best; we agree.

Two Words:

VIC FONTAINE

Two More Words:

LOXANA TROI

This was by no means the worst episode. Just off the top of my head, the 'Julian trapped in his own mind growing old due to evil psychic alien' episode springs to mind (pardon the pun).

Plus, the entire thrust of this episode was about the Vulcan capacity to be Total Dicks. Which is always entertaining.

These are typical human reactions based on emotionalism and illogic.

I think y'all are forgetting the episode known as "Let He Who is Without Sin..." when Dax, Worf, Bashir, Quark, Leeta, and Rom all go on an awesome vacation to Risa together. It's ok, though, it's one of those things most people subconscious makes them forget in order to preserve their sanity. And even that, the objectively worst episode of DS9, at least had some funny space fundamentalists bits.

This episode was great because they all learned the true meaning of baseball! Which is: Vulcans are humorless dicks.

Uh oh, fellers. Looks like we got a pretty bad case of fan friction on our hands.

***It's writing was in fact more coherent than any of the other shows,"

That would be "tallest midget in the circus" territory...

***...seeing it had a series-spanning continuity besides an annual fucking Borg visit, or Q saying, "The next 7 seasons is a test and I'll show up 4 more times to remind you of that, Picard."

Q did show up. And they abandoned one decent idea (the Bajorans vs. the Cardassians, which was shaping up to be a nifty Israel vs. Palestine metaphor) for one they took from B-5 (substituting "The Dominion" for "The Shadows"). They only got an actual god-damn continuity when they knew the series was ending and started doing a friggin' week-to-week arc.

Apart from that, there's the painful episodes involving Risa, the Dark Star Trek Universe, the tacked-on Maquis, etc.

***Less to no holodeck? This is a subjective opinion;

Other than the movie aping I mentioned, Holodecks (even on DS-9) were too dangerous to be used for recreation. How many eps had the "safety protocols" off and the whole ship/station/whatever in danger from the 24th century version of an XBox?

The Julian / Aging episode was a Garak episode, which is a roundabout way of saying it was a good episode.

"Let He Who Is Without Sin ..." didn't piss me off the way the baseball one did, though I have to admit, they are both episodes I don't care ever to watch again. The baseball episode bothered me in particular because everything -- EVERYTHING -- was wrong about it, from Sisko obsessing about a Vulcan, to then entire senior staff abandoning their duties for a week in the middle of a war. Worf turning fundamentalist was at least in line with his character as we'd always seen it.

BEARD WAR!

And what's this "substituting 'The Dominion' for 'The Shadows'" business? The two had nothing in common, except for the fact that they were threats to our heroes. The Dominion were the great empire on the other side of the wormhole (which the Federation never had any reason to know about until wormhole), while the Shadows were a menace that had been periodically plaguing intelligent life since the dawn of time and they were starting yet another onslaught. And the Dominion first turned up in DS9 scripts before the first episode of B5 even aired, so the DS9 guys probably knew from day one that, by the end of the series, there would be a war with the Dominion.

Imagine that: if you're writing a series about a wormhole to the other side of the galaxy, you might want to insert some new races and empires to come into conflict with. It doesn't take a super-genius of JMS's caliber to figure that out.

For this whole conversation.

DS9 was great when it was keeping up with the political intrigue, and those parts make it the best star trek. It does, however, have way worse filler episodes than anything else ever. Worf/Jadzia episodes, Bashir's-hopes-and-dreams episodes, etc. All horrible.

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra!*

* Spelling from Wikipedia(r)

My personal theory is that the writers were making fun of nerds (specifically, Star Trek fans). I mean, if you listen to two geeks talk about Star Trek, it's often just a barrage of favorite quotes or six-word episode summaries:

"Picard and Q at Farpoint."
"Yesterday's Enterprise."
"Nuclear wessels!"
*nerd giggling*

Unless you are a mad god king that holds all of existence as a dream within his mind, I don't think "I remember seeing a good Star Trek episode" is the same as "There exists only one good Star Trek episode."

What was worse was what they did to Tom Paris. Initially, they were going to have the actor reprise his TNG role where he and Wesley Crusher got a fellow cadet killed doing some spaceflight hotdogging maneuver. That was why he was in prison, initially. I can't recall the bullshit reason they gave for changing it.

But that didn't matter for very long, as the premise for their being stranded was incredibly stupid, as was the decision to basically make Voyager an episodic show (where you could, for the most part, watch them out of order and not miss anything) rather than one with a planned arc where characters died or came on board, where the ship changed over time, etc.